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Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 103	Posted - 2017.03.11 11:15:14 - [1] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: I'm not sure if the free 30-day trial that was originally in-place was any worse than the current F2P model. F2P bum here who can't support subbing from an income generated in a poverty and corruption ridden country. If I feel great love towards a game and it's devs, I bring my moneybag friends in, and whoever else I can. That makes my opinion very subjective - but I was the target audience of the Alpha program, right? The appeal of the old trial program for me: 0% No matter how good opinion I had of EvE, jumping in a game with an innate timer that keeps ticking down before I have to pay up is felt like a trap. Just like how conservative parents imagine drug-dealers: "the first hit is free, we'll talk the price once you are hooked" The appeal of the Alpha program on the first look: 20% Hey I can play this infamous space epic for free forever! But wait, is this the kind of game that makes me face the choice of being the lowest of the low with an enormous grind-or-pay wall infront of every worthy content? It totally looks so when checking the Alpha limitations. We F2P bums jumped in these business models in numbers around 2010, but we learned to steer clear of them. The appeal of the Alpha program after studying how EvE works: 80% This game is like no other. The sky is the limit. I'm not sure how will I make it, but I jump in and figure it out. And it's working! Time to get those moneybag-friends in. "Wait, what do you mean by it's not your thing? I know you, and I know it is! What's the matter with the UI? Since when do you care about such? Ehh silly, in a year you will cry for wasting a year by not signing in. Mehh, your choice." Too bad that it's a rare thing for F2P bums to do their homework. I still think the Alpha initiative is good, but it's late by 5 years. My kind had patience back than. The F2P market changed a lot since than. But it's still infinitely better than alternatives I can think of. From my perspective at least. And I'm convinced that the age and copmplexity of EvE is a much important deterrent factor for new players than the business model or whatever. Not that it can be helped. I'm lazy to read the wrole thread, but I believe people more knowledgable than I are already picked your concrete suggestions to pieces, so let me not comment on those. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2017.03.18 09:52:35 - [2] - Quote Aesthetus Liberalis wrote: The threat of being ganked isn't what bothers me. What bothers me is being told that i'm somehow detrimental to the game when I AFK mine in my Venture while cooking dinner in the few hours that i have to play after work. Or that auto-piloting through the confusing warp gate system somehow makes me a negative influence. And it's that sort of mentality that made me considering quitting after about my second day when I got a bounty put on my head simply for trying to learn the game. A wise man once told me that everything you do in EvE is pvp. If you think of it, you'll see how that makes sense for trading, ratting or even mining. But it's the same when you just talk to another player, or even when you post on the forum. You may not see how CODE profits from certain aspects of who they are... but believe me they do. Don't take it personal, try to enjoy it. Many of us here particularly like the roughness of EvE, and it's various flavors. If you take my very biased advice, I'd suggest you to do things that teach you a lot. And as far as I know, highsec mining only teaches how to not get ganked - mr Pech already outlined it's entire curriculum in a few lines. Ahh, and bounties do absolutely nothing, besides making you look cool if it's high enough. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 114	Posted - 2017.03.19 15:52:06 - [3] - Quote Nicolai Serkanner wrote: No. I like the way you do debate. Please post more! They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 125	Posted - 2017.03.23 09:23:44 - [4] - Quote das licht wrote: Game over soon, maybe within 2 years, get over it! Depends if someone else wants to ride a dead horseGÇª Anyways, EVE lasted vey long for a game and life has more to offer! I played a very niche game for about four years. I remember a constant whining of the game dying, and it got very loud when our usual player count of 200 got dropped to 170~ish. That was eight years ago. They still write me time to time if I'm coming back. Peak player count is 130-150~ish as I hear. What was I saiyng? Nevermind. Please bittervets, crawl back to your holes, transfer your stuff to joyful newcommers (like me). All you do is demoralizing the rest. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 157	Posted - 2017.04.03 11:20:02 - [5] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: the hatered of non-PVP players has got to cool down, every since I've been in eve hatered of miners has been the biggest thing forever I feel I have to reflect on that, as I sense a dark misconception. I, as a player am glad that you play the same awesme game I play. Nothing you can do ingame will change that. But when you mine, you generate money and other resources. And the money and resources you generate devaules whatever me and my allies can make, as we are all competing on the same market. Also while I love to think that miners only ever mine to have better mining equipment to mine even more with, we always have to suspect that you have a PvPer deep down inside you, and whatever you earn will be eventually transformed into war supplies that aid my enemies. You are not my enemy you say? Well, the fact that you are not in the same Coalition as I am says otherwise. So yeah, I hate miners. But I love you for playing here. Hope you'll endure the hardships you'll face, and that you will gather enough experience to generate content (other than being a juicy target while printing ISK). Piugattuk wrote: what low sec, null and WH dwellers don't get is that more PVE'ers would love to take on bigger chances but on their terms, that being PVE. Sure we get it, and we have a solution: recruitment. Become one of the locals, who invest a lot of effort into making -their- home safe for -their- people. But if you don't, don't blame them for securing their space and their resources, even if it involves hunting you down if you trespass and steal. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2017.04.03 15:36:52 - [6] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: Great points, only I do take issue with a small part, I've reached out to people in the netherworlds to try to hammer out a deal and use their space, but have always been ignored or told to FO, eve being eve I get it, you can't trust anybody and that's where it ends sadly. You got one of the better outcomes of all those I can imagine... But you know... finding a good corp that fits you, wants you and welcomes you is like... well, just about like anything in EvE. Hard to figure out on your own, easy to fall into traps.. and doing your homework -before- attempting it pays off. Did they refuse? Mistrust goes both ways. :) Their loss, and maybe your gain. And if the worse happens, one can always lick his wounds and retry it with more experience that hopefully transformed into more wisdom. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 169	Posted - 2017.04.07 12:30:13 - [7] - Quote Martin Solo wrote: 1 month to figure out, if eve is your game. Dunno. That was the past model, and it successfully kept me away from the game I always wanted to try. It wasn't slightly appealing that I could taste an infamously harsh and complex title... while having a ticking clock signifying how much time I have left to decide. I would have picked a lot more severely limited alpha state any day, if it meant I could learn the ropes and find my ways in my own pace. And as others said... if you feel that what you are doing, or who you are doing it with is not fun / educational / profitable or whatever... move on. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 169	Posted - 2017.04.07 12:58:46 - [8] - Quote Did we have too many Code-free pages already in a Code-unrelated thread? :] Well, besides Mr Rhoska who's a walking advertisement. And the OP. Ahh well, never mind. Let's just all comply. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 170	Posted - 2017.04.07 18:55:19 - [9] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: "Make friends" / "trust no one" I'm failing to see why would these two approaches to be mutually exclusive - even when you only face just one player. Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: This game is not P2W because everyone can grind a few hours to buy characters, PLEXes, and fund accounts I think you -vastly- overestimate new players. Or even people who play for a few years suboptimally (from an ISK grinding perspective). Or you just have a -very- different concept of what a 'few' hours is than most people I met. Not that I'd call EvE P2W. Mainly for people here set their own goals. And unless someone's only goal is to fly a super, he won't 'win' even if he starts by buying a super pilot with a blingy ship. My guess is that he'd lose a lot more while learning basic stuff than who uses a Rifter for that. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 170	Posted - 2017.04.07 19:22:50 - [10] - Quote Ahh, I forgot that my High-Grade Irony Detection implant set was left in another head of mine. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.

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